For Cleveland fans still replaying the ALCS in their heads, Milwaukee’s Game 4 collapse in the World Series landed like a jolt. It didn’t answer the Tanner Bibee question once and for all, but it gave Stephen Vogt’s thinking a lot more credibility than it had a week ago.
The Brewers went into the 12th inning of Game 4 with their bullpen stretched thin after trying to protect a lead against Tampa Bay. Aaron Ashby, who had been outstanding and had set a postseason record with 18 consecutive scoreless innings, was out of gas by the 11th.
By the next inning, Milwaukee was out of answers. The Rays scored, won the game, and kept the series alive.
That was the kind of mess Vogt kept talking about during the ALCS: a game that drags deep enough that every available arm matters. Cleveland had held Tanner Bibee, a 30-game regular season starter, in reserve as a possible multi-inning option if a game went long. After watching Milwaukee get stripped down to nothing, that approach suddenly looks a lot easier to understand.
Joe Noga addressed it directly on the Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast: “On Tuesday night, the Brewers found themselves in exactly the situation that Stephen Vogt was preparing for. Suddenly, his explanation doesn’t sound quite as crazy, if you think about it.”
Still, understanding the logic doesn’t mean everyone buys it. Paul Hoynes remains unconvinced that Bibee should have been parked so long.
“I still wonder why he didn’t start game 4 or 6 in the ALCS,” he said. “I know you’ve got to have a guy at the back end if the thing goes 15 innings, but boy, oh, boy, I don’t know.”
The key difference is simple: Milwaukee actually had to live through the nightmare scenario. Their bullpen got worn down, and they had nobody left to turn to. Vogt’s plan, by contrast, never got put to the test.
As Noga put it, “Vogt repeatedly described Bibee as a potential bulk relief option during the ALCS. He wanted somebody capable of covering those multiple innings if a game got extended and went deep like that. But the scenario never presented itself, and Bibee finished the postseason having pitched just one-third of an inning in Game 4 of the ALDS.”
That’s the part that will linger for Cleveland. Bibee started 30 games in the regular season, then barely showed up in October while the Guardians were sent home with their former Opening Day starter mostly watching from the bench.
Hoynes closed on the same note of doubt he’s held all along: “I still think they could have fit him in for Game 4 or Game 6. I understand that they wanted to get more outs than just if they had used Bibee in an opener’s role.
You get more than four or five outs from him and that’s why they kept him in reserve. But I still think that was a missed opportunity.”
So the argument remains open. Milwaukee’s meltdown didn’t settle it, but it did prove the fear behind Vogt’s strategy was real. Whether that makes the choice right is another matter, and one Cleveland fans won’t stop debating anytime soon.
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